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4 years 10 months ago #12 by Imam Rassi Society
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Assalaymu alaykom,

What is the zaydi view on saying salaam right to left if that would break their qiblah during prayer? Also, why is the zaydi view on praying on things that are not wearable etc like leaves, dirt, or torbah?
wa alaykum as salaam wa rahma!

Thanks you for your question!

According to Zaidi fiqh, saying the salaam to the right and left is obligatory. It is narrated in the Majmu' of Imam Zayd that Ali used to say salaams to the right and left. It is narrated in the Amali of Ahmed bin Isa that Abu Razin (in some reports, Abu Zayd) said:
"I prayed behind Ali (as) and he said the salaams to the right and left: As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah."

In his commentary on At-Tahriir (a book of Zaydi fiqh), Qadi Zayd said: "Imam Nasr (as) said in his Al-Kabiir: 'All the Descendants of Allah's Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny, hold to the view that two salaams should be said to the right and left if in congregation. When they are lone they also say the salaams to the right and left..."

This does not take one away from facing the qibla because it is ones chest and front portion of the body that faces the qibla. Even if one turns his head, he is still facing the qibla.

Regarding prostrating on natural materials, like earth, grass, reed mats, etc., it is considered praiseworthy but not obligatory.

And Allah knows best!

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4 years 10 months ago #46 by Imam Rassi Society
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ass salam a'likum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. barakallah fikum, ghafarallahu l 'azim lana wa lakom, djazakumullah khayran.allahuma salli 'ala nabiyuna muhamad wa ali muhamad. ama ba'd. cheikh i have a fiqh question :
can i do the taslim in the salat like maliki? one taslim like this ass salamu 'alaykum straight ahead of you?
this opinion is present in the zaydi maddhab? because one taslim like maliki is the last act that is the prophet salawatullah wa salama 'alayhi (wa 'ala alihi) performed at the end of this life. this opinion exist in the zaydi maddhab? it is the strong or da'if opinion? it is permissible? barakallah fikum
wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu!

The tasleem according to the Noble School of Ahl al-Bayt is to be done twice--once to the right and once to the left saying: as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi. Anything less than that is considered deficient and invalidates the prayer.

In the Majmu of Imam Zayd (as), it is related that Imam Ali (as) recited the tasleem to the right and the left saying: as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi, as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi.

In the Amaali of Ahmed b. Isa (as) it is narrated on the authority of Abu Razeen: "I prayed behind Ali (as) and he recited the tasleem to the right and the left saying: as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi, as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi."

Imam an-Nasir (as) said in his Al-Kabeer: "All of the descendants of Allah's Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny, relate that the tasleem is to be recited twice--once to the right and then the left in the congregational prayer. If one is alone one recites the tasleem to the right and left intending the Angels to the right and left."

The above proves that the Prophetic practice even at the end of his life was to recite the tasleem twice-- to the right and left. This is because the practice is related from Ali (as) and he was the most knowledgeable regarding the Prophetic Sunnah.

This is also mentioned in Sunni sources. It is narrated in the Sunan Ibn Majah on the authority of Abu Musa: ‘Ali prayed with us on the day of al-Jamal and we mentioned the prayer of the Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny, and how we had forgot it and left it deliberately. He \[i.e. ‘Ali] recited “Allahu Akbar” for every lowering and rising, and he gave the final salutation on the right and left.

Furthermore, the reciting of one tasleem can be included among the Umayyad innovations. Imam Muhammad ash-Shaybani, one of the great Hanafi jurists related that Ibrahim an-Nakha'i said: "The first to reduce...the final salutations was Mu'awiya b. Abi Sufyaan."

We therefore say that the one tasleem is deficient and invalid as well as unacceptable.

And Allah knows best!

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4 years 10 months ago #73 by Imam Rassi Society
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As salam a3likom wa rahmatullah.there was a discrepancy between djafar sadiq and zayd ash shahid on taslim assala? One taslim and two taslim? And between mohamed al baqir and zayd ash shahid on wudu wipe or wash? Barakallah fik.
Wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu!

Thank you for your question! Actually in Zaydi sources, there is no disagreement among the imams on these issues. Both the washing of the feet and the two tasleems are cited as being the consensus among the imams of Ahl al-Bayt. This of course includes Imams as-Saadiq (as) and al-Baaqir (as). Anything contrary to that is seen as being fabricated and lies attributed to them.

And Allah knows best!

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3 years 1 month ago #803 by AbuZayn93
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Salam

Would it be possible to qoute a reference for the following:

Furthermore, the reciting of one tasleem can be included among the Umayyad innovations. Imam Muhammad ash-Shaybani, one of the great Hanafi jurists related that Ibrahim an-Nakha'i said: "The first to reduce...the final salutations was Mu'awiya b. Abi Sufyaan."


I have always done 1 tasleem as a Maliki but I am looking more into Zaidi fiqh and find it very strong, thanks!

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3 years 4 weeks ago #805 by Imam Rassi Society
Salaams! Thank you for your question! You can find the reference for this as well as other interesting references in our article here . The article points out other Umayyad innovations that are evident in the Maaliki madhhab and other Sunni madhaahib.

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