Kalam Nafsi and Nature of Attributes of Allah (swt)

More
1 month 4 days ago - 1 month 3 days ago #1072 by Allahu Akbar
اسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

What is the zaydi view on the existence of kalam nafsi, does it exist, or is all of the kalam of Allah (swt) created? Also, how do zaydis view the attributes of Allah (swt), are they considered as their own independent entities or just as descriptions of the unitary essence of Allah (swt), or is it considered impermissible to describe Allah (swt) using attributes like some of the mu'tazila said?

بارك الله فيكم
Last edit: 1 month 3 days ago by Allahu Akbar.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
1 month 5 hours ago #1073 by Imam Rassi Society
Wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu!

Thank you for your question! As for the concept of kalaam an-nafsi or kalaam adh-dhaat, we say that it is a Sunni concept developed by their theologians to justify their claim of the uncreatedness of the Qur'an. We find the term completely problematic and contradictory because if kalaam an-nafsi refers to the uncreated speech of Allah that is a part of His Eternal Essence and it doesn't consist of letters and words, this can hardly be considered the same as the Qur'an which was revealed to the heart of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny. The Sunnis have thus created a quagmire by this term as with other theological concepts they've fashioned. We address the concept of kalaam an-nafsi in detail in our book .

As for the attributes of Allah, they are simply descriptions. We avoid attributing to Allah anything that He hasn't attributed to Himself through revelation. Imam al-Hasan b. Ali (as) said something similar.

And Allah knows best!

IRS
The following user(s) said Thank You: Allahu Akbar

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
1 month 2 hours ago #1074 by Allahu Akbar
اسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Thank you for the answer to the question! I also had one other question about the attributes of Allah, is Allah's action considered to be an eternal attribute of him? Also, is the zaydi position that an uncreated speech exists that is part of the essence of Allah, or is all of the kalam of Allah created?

بارك الله فيكم

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
4 weeks 1 day ago #1075 by Imam Rassi Society
wa alaykum as salaam wa rahma!

Thank you for your question! I just wanted to clarify something. According to the standard Zaydi theology text Al-Assaas by Imam al-Qaasim b. Muhammad (as), we say that Allah's attributes are His essence. That is, they are not separate from Him in any way. This is in contrast to His actions. It doesn't make sense to say that the doer is his action.

As for the kalaam of Allah, it must be specified as to what you mean by such. As we mentioned, the concept of kalaam an-nafsi is Sunni in origin. So, it would be rather futile for a non-Sunni to apply it. The Qur'an presents no idea of an 'uncreated speech' that exudes from Allah. The only kalaam of Allah referred to in the Qur'an is His revelation. See Q. 2:75, 9:6, 48:18.

And Allah knows best!

IRS
The following user(s) said Thank You: Allahu Akbar

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.327 seconds
Powered by Kunena Forum