Question on speaking to those in the grave
I have a question that came to mind when I read a passage in your book/compilation of Imam Zayd's (as) speeches and letters. It is said that he stopped at the Prophet's (saaw) grave as his last visit where he prayed and talked to him and asked for his intercession. Do we have to assume that this was not a symbolic action? If it was indeed directed to the Prophet, do we assume that the Imam believes that those who are in their graves can hear us? Do we have to be near the grave for them to hear us? I assume yes, otherwise what would be our argument against those who call upon fulan from afar, in silence and out loud? Where is the line drawn between a simple conversation with the dead (physical death, we know some are spiritually alive and well) and idol worship?
Here's where I'm coming from. I want a definitive answer as to this issue with talking with those who have passed away. If I call upon Abu Fulan when he is alive, then I assume that he is close enough that he could potentially hear me. Otherwise, you have a claim against my sanity. If I call upon Abu Fulan the dead man, and he is buried in a different continent, then you would have to assume I am either insane or that I hold the belief that Abu Fulan is somewhat omniscient. If I call upon him near his grave, and never from afar, then you could assume that I believe that he can hear me only from his grave, as his grave would be where his spiritual self lives. I would still have to hold that God (swt) gave him the capacity to hear without ears. Can the dead respond? You see, I would like to clear this up. When is it halal, and when is it shirk? Are the christians committing shirk by the very act of calling unto Mary or Jesus (as) from afar? Or is it from the belief that they have a share in the attribute of omniscience (since they call unto them in secret too)? Some 12ers claim the imams can hear because God brings your requests for them, and they can therefore pray for you. Is that belief still shirk, or a mistake in belief? Where exactly does the shirk reside in those who call upon other than Allah (swt)?
Thank you for the answers and thank you for the books you made available in clear and well written English. I'll keep buying them as long as you keep producing them! Jazakallah.
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Thanks for your question and for the support! As for your questions, I would first like to highlight the reference. The passage from The Sincere Friend of the Qur´an reads as follows:
First, it mentions that the imam (as) went to the Prophet's grave which emphasises that following points:Then, he went to the grave of Allah’s Messengerﷺ and prayed beside it. Then, after completing his prayer, he said:"Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah! Peace be upon you, O Prophet of Allah! Peace be upon you, O best of Prophets and most honourable of Messengers! Peace be upon you, O beloved of Allah! This is the last time I will be in your city, and the last time I will be at your grave and pulpit!O my father, I was forced out! I travelled through the land as a captive, O Messenger of Allah! I ask you for intercession with Allah the Mighty and Majestic, to support me with the confidence of certainty and the glory of God conscious, and to grant me a martyrdom that will join me with my noble forefathers and my pure family!"
- He deliberately went there with the intention of addressing the Prophetﷺ
- He is not shown to have addressed anyone else outside of the Prophet's sanctuary nor from another city or country. I don't know of any report in which he was said to have gone to Baqi' to address any of the other Ahl al-Bayt, upon them be peace, or at Kufa to address the Commander of Believers, upon him be peace.
- He prayed beside it and nowhere else. Perhaps this emphasises the belief in seeking blessings by it (tabarruk).
- He addressed the Prophetﷺ in the second person (ex. "...you..."). This could mean that he was confident addressing the Prophetﷺ with the idea that his greetings and address were heard and acknowledged.
- He said that it would be his last time in Medina and at the Prophet's grave, emphasising that--at least, apparently--the Prophetﷺ was unaware of such, thus negating the possibility of absolute ilm al-ghayb.
- Similarly, he informed the Prophetﷺ that he was forced out and exiled, thus negating the idea that the Prophetﷺ was conscious of such. If it were a proper address, such would imply obliviousness on the part of the addressed since it would be superfluous to assume that one would tell someone something that he already is aware of.
- He asked for the Prophet's intercession, which proves that the intercession is not restricted to the Day of Judgement. This is because his asking for intercession, was connected to that which is to take place in this life. He asked for yaqeen, taqwa and shahaada, which are all relegated to this world's life. Imam al-Haadi (as) related in his Ahkaam that the Prophetﷺ said ((Whoever visits my grave will receive my intercession)) without specifying the hereafter. Perhaps the idea is that the one who visits his grave will receive his intercession at the time of the visit as well as on the Day of Judgement.
As for the potential charge of idol worship, such cannot be implied since the imam (as) was acting in Shari' parameters. He did not ask the Prophetﷺ to grant any of his needs or desires; rather, he simply employed him to intercede on his behalf. He did so in the proximity of the zareeh with the confidence that his request would be heard. I know of no such instance where the imam (as) made the same entreaty from Kufa or anywhere outside of the Prophet's grave.
Shirk, at least from my understanding, would be attributing the qualities of the Divine to the created. Responding to the dua is reserved for Allah according to the Qur´an (Ref. Q. 27:62 & 18:52). Even the belief in tafweed (Allah designating the power of answering prayers to His creation) does not relieve one of such charge since there is no definitive proof for such belief.
Calling out to an individual from a great distance or another country with the idea that you will be heard, would not make much sense if the person were alive, let alone dead! Even if one were to argue that Allah can give the dead the ability to hear from great distances, such argument would not be justifiable because the issue is not related to whether Allah can do it rather, does He do it. Such would need proof from the Qur´an to justify it.
And Allah knows best!
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Could you go into detail as to what a Dua entails? I know in arabic the word dua means to call upon or to request. What conditions does a dua requires for it to be considered an act of worship? I think this is also an important point relating to this topic as it is often used to "justify" some ghulu actions. What aspect of a dua does it make it worship as not all dua can be categorized as worship, as in technically I am making a dua to you in the sense that I am requesting your help in this matter. Is it the nature of the faith and trust that accompanies the request that elevates a dua into worship? Dua is only to Allah swt, but in what sense of the word dua?
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From my understanding, the term dua has linguistic meanings and a technical meaning. Linguistically, it can refer to the meanings you mentioned, including 'to invite' 'to call' 'to invoke blessings for' etc. However, the technical meaning entails an act of worship in which one invokes another who has the independent ability to grant that which the invoker is requesting. That is the reason that the word is synonymous with 'prayer' [Cf. Q. 9:103].
As for whether it is an act or worship or anything else would more so depend on (1) who is being addressed and (2) whether this individual is believed to be able to grant the requestor his/her request. For example, if I were to invoke Allah to grant me children, with the belief that He can do so, it is an act of worship. If I invoke a dead imam to grant me children, with the belief that he can do so, it is an act of worship. Even if one takes the position that the dead imam is a means by which Allah grants me my request, it would still be considered an act of worship because of the one I am addressing.
This is altogether different from invoking a live person to give me money or inviting a person for dinner, for example, because this gets into the linguistic meaning of dua, not the technical meaning.
Hopefully, this clarifies matters. And Allah knows best!
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What would you say about a person who requests a pious saint to pray for him to Allah? Meaning, his belief is sound in the sense that the only problem here is that he acts as if the dead person is alive and can respond. Would you say it would be potentially doubtful but not shirk?
It does make me think of the verse 7:194. I do not know the context of that verse but taken as it is, it accuses those who call on the creations to have false beliefs on their abilities to respond or help. And we also would have to assume these are not "invented" deities as Allah refers to them as "slaves like you" and describes their state of death as they lack limbs, eyes, etc.
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There would be no problem for one to request another to make dua for them. This request would not be considered dua as it requests dua. Requesting a living pious person to make dua for you would not be considered problematic, and it is only natural for one to do so. However, it may get problematic when crowding at the grave of a pious person with the assumption that such person can take the various requests being made simultaneously and make dua for each and every person. It is problematic because we have no textual proof for such.
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