doesn't exluding modesty laws for slave women go against prophetic command?

jazakallah khair,

Can you elabaorate on this:
"It is about protecting the social structure and family in the muslim ummah."
Slave women are also part of the social structure and they can have children and family with the master.

wa iyyak,

Can you elabaorate on this:
"It is about protecting the social structure and family in the muslim ummah."
Slave women are also part of the social structure and they can have children and family with the master.

Protection of the social structure and family is not only about zina. Contrary to modern belief, Islam is not egalitarian with regard to worldly life; it is only egalitarian in terms of a person’s standing before their Lord and the level they attain with Him.When I stated that the veiling laws were for free women and that these laws protect the social structure and family, I meant that they specifically protect the social status of free women/family. These laws honor them, restrict the access and gaze of men who have no right to look at them, and limit unnecessary contact. Free women are given a special distinction.In contrast, slave women by virtue of their status even if they become umm al-walad, remain socially different. Their interaction with society and their position within it is not the same as that of free women.Therefore, the veiling laws are not only about protection against zina, but also serve as a means of honor and regulation of access.In short: this subject is very deep and cannot be reduced merely to the issue of zina.wa salam

Jazak allah khair,

To what extent do other socially ascribed rules for free women not apply to slaves?
for example
1. I mentioned in the first post, in one athar, slave girls were displayed in the market for purchase wearing jewelry and adornments for prospective buyers. Would this not arouse passions of men? What in the way of perfume for them wouldn't that be considered zina for them?

2. Free mixing, would they be expected to remain segregated or allowed to be in the presence of men?

3. Traveling without mahrams, were they let off without them since there was no social honor to protect in them.

Wa iyyak akhi,

You are delving deeply into questions that are largely irrelevant in our times, where slavery no longer exists. Most tullab of ilm would actually not focus much on these questions, as they pertain to eras long gone.

Consider this: what benefit is there for you in learning whether a slave girl could display her adornments or not? Do you intend to purchase a slave?

If your intention is to highlight supposed contradictions in Islam, or to remove doubts from your heart, as I explained before, there is no contradiction. The laws regarding veiling and adornments have detailed rulings and specific contexts.

If you are truly interested in understanding the intricacies of the Shariah, I recommend that you study Shariah comprehensively.

It’s not that I cannot answer your questions, but they tend to lead to ever more detailed inquiries without any practical benefit.

Wa salam

apologies if these questions are excessive in nature. I only meant to dispel doubts on certain rulings that seemed challenged of which i supposed were set in stone. For Instance, when the prophet pbuh said 'do not make tabbaruj like that of the jahiliyah' ex. those that showed off their charms in the jahiliyah I thought slave women were resembling them. perhaps there are    other   rulings had more nuance to it causing me doubt and thats is why I ended up having more questions about it. I do try to learn a lot through lectures and the like but certain things that cause me more doubt I tend to seek clarity for.

as-salamu alaikum,

akhi al-kareem, you do not have to apologize.

The Shariah is coherent and there is no contradiction.
Whenever you see something you do not understand you can ask the brothers who have more knowledge on that question.
I only wanted to stop here because you are going deeper and deeper about the matter, while your initial problem was actually solved.

wa salam